Hot damn it's looking up now. Why didn't our side implement this before. Shit fire maybe we could have been home by now.
Cannot help but to be a bitter sarcastic smart ass when it comes to Afghanistan and the bull shit that is written and when ideas like this are presented with all the feel good consequences that will supposedly follow.
When it reeks of the smell of fresh bull shit that's just what it is!
I think this is a bad thing and they are starting with 16 and more if needed. I thought we were starting to withdraw in 2011 not get in deeper.
ReplyDeletefrickin amazin aint it?
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many more "hearts and minds" of the Muslim people we will win with this new firepower. It will allow us to both kill and create terrorists at a new and improved rate.
ReplyDeleteTanks are the answer now? Remind me again what the question was?
ReplyDeleteThe new date now is 2014 not 2011.
ReplyDeleteSurprise surprise.
When in the fuck will the spineless dems call the Big O out for what he is.
This tank move will be part of another surge. They are flexing mobile muscle.
Come the spring they will be in place to escalate once more.
Remember now, Pakistan is not far away.
Russia also had tanks in Afghanica. That exercise did not work out too well either.
Looks like the USA is the new Russia -- at least as far as Afghanistan goes.
ReplyDeleteI've said it before and I'll say it again, Barack and any POTUS in the past 30 years is an owned man. Owned by the MIC.
ReplyDeleteProve to me otherwise!
I'm sure if you can disprove it Onefly will put up a post about it.
I don't have a problem with that at all. The dims had a chance to make a dent in the military but instead they ramped 'er up.
ReplyDeleteFact of the matter is bama is a one termer.
The senate is history as well.
The supremes are in the pockets of the right.
Big Whore Media is just that.
Our side will not win and will not be allowed to.
We all remember what happened with the Russkies. Those pesky freedom fighters pulled an ace outta their sleeves in form of missles that were furnished by-well you know the rest.
Will it come around for us as well. If it does it's going to get so ugly.
That's what I'm wondering about.
One word: Logistics.
ReplyDeleteYes, direct fire support is needed by our troops. Rumsfeld's notion that we didn't need direct fire, that "death from the skies" was enough, was wrong-headed nonsense. Choppers are nice and good but can't fly well at that altitude. 120mm cannon fire is hard to beat under those conditions. And the M1 is still pretty much invulnerable to anything anybody can throw at it -- there have been been M1 tanks lost to engine fires from someone getting a lucky hit on the hindquarters of the tank, but no tank that "cooked off" and killed its crew. The M1 decidedly isn't a Soviet tank, which gained the nickname "Jack-in-the-box" in the first Gulf War because all it took was one hit from chopper or TOW or anything, really, and it cooked off, the turret popping off and the maimed and broken bodies of its former crew blown out the hole in the hull.
But... those tanks were significantly easier to maintain than the M1, used significantly less fuel than the M1, and the Soviets had a fine paved highway leading directly into the Soviet Union, and *still* had a hard time getting enough food, fuel, and spare parts to keep their (much simpler and much more fuel efficient) tanks operational. I can't fathom how Proconsul Petraeus proposes to supply his force of roving artillery...
- Badtux the War Penguin
Well Jim kind of summed it up for me.
ReplyDeleteI'm wanting deescalation. This thing is turning into the hundred year war.
The part that confuses me is the question of how tanks would be useful in mountainous terrain - all things considered, looks like another level of escalation.
ReplyDeletejeg, the Marines are wanting tanks for use in Kandahar Province, which is more a rocky desert punctuated by mountains. They are wanting them for fire support when searching villages and towns for Taliban, and the villages and towns are all built in the valleys. I've looked at vids posted by soldiers in that area and it looks like a lot of desert valleys here in California, a lot of rocks, but nothing that would stop a tank. If a Humvee can drive it, a tank can drive it (other than occasional bridges, but southern Afghanistan is a desert so that's not a huge issue).
ReplyDeleteClearly tanks aren't going to help in the mountains. But the people live in the valleys, not the mountains. From a military point of view, having direct fire support (*NOT* driving the tanks directly into the towns and cities which is what the idiot Russians did, but having them lurk outside the combat zone protected by infantry to provide artillery support when the infantry needs it) is a reasonable use of the tanks. Well, except for the logistics issue of how do you supply them with fuel and parts in such a remote province...
- Badtux the War Penguin